tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2453422533967450680.post1418323798796127496..comments2010-05-29T21:48:15.897-05:00Comments on Rummage: A second opinion on Dave RamseyN. Nelsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13557973750178909541noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2453422533967450680.post-9016895686511973042009-10-03T19:25:11.146-05:002009-10-03T19:25:11.146-05:00Interesting comments, George. Thanks for your tho...Interesting comments, George. Thanks for your thoughts.N. Nelsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13557973750178909541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2453422533967450680.post-52807865218848610292009-10-03T14:55:50.211-05:002009-10-03T14:55:50.211-05:00I must say, your conclusions seem to be based on n...I must say, your conclusions seem to be based on nothing more than personal prejudice, an irrational distrust of Dave's profit motive, and a bias due to political disagreement.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18274567998815501859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2453422533967450680.post-41205742860348049322009-10-03T14:43:33.205-05:002009-10-03T14:43:33.205-05:00On bankruptcy, Dave does not say that the Bible do...On bankruptcy, Dave does not say that the Bible does not allow it. Dave simply discourages it because the people who call him routinely express their belief that it is a "painless wiping-clean of the slate." Dave understands that most people can in fact avoid bankruptcy, but they need encouragement and guidance. For many of these people, the difficulty lies in the fundamental behavioral change of going from incredibly irresponsible to being responsible.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18274567998815501859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2453422533967450680.post-45750379856353014582009-10-03T14:25:43.292-05:002009-10-03T14:25:43.292-05:00"Ramsey seems to reject the opportunity that ..."Ramsey seems to reject the opportunity that he has to address the real root causes of the downfall of individuals and families: greed, self-absorption, envy"<br /><br />On the contrary, this is the very foundation of his teachings. It is surprising that you could misunderstand so deeply. Greed, envy, and self-absorption causes people to make poor choices like going into debt, buying things that they cannot afford, and neglecting to save money. This is what keeps them from "financial freedom" and this the most fundamental thing that Dave wants to teach people about.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18274567998815501859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2453422533967450680.post-61644326243900502992009-10-03T14:13:25.766-05:002009-10-03T14:13:25.766-05:00Dave Ramsey does not shamelessly use his Christian...Dave Ramsey does not shamelessly use his Christian faith to promote his brand; he shamelessly uses his brand to promote his Christian faith. If you are a successful person in the public eye like Dave, you would be a hypocrite if you did not talk about your faith, which is the root of all your beliefs and motivations.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18274567998815501859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2453422533967450680.post-18052149437342572842009-10-03T14:10:09.827-05:002009-10-03T14:10:09.827-05:00Dave Ramsey does not promise luxury; he holds out ...Dave Ramsey does not promise luxury; he holds out the promise of being able to put food on the table and own a car. He holds out the promise of sending your kids to college. He holds out the promise of being able to retire at some point with enough money to keep your lights on until you die. All this without giving up your freedom to become an indentured servant to your corporate creditors or cling to the government for your retirement livelihood.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18274567998815501859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2453422533967450680.post-5871543974364172322009-04-19T01:26:00.000-05:002009-04-19T01:26:00.000-05:00Nowhere does the Bible encourage Christians to pur...Nowhere does the Bible encourage Christians to pursue wealth. It does however ask us to "Seek first the Kingdom and all these other things will be added to you." meaning the necessities of life, not riches. Also, it says to be "content with sustenance and covering."<br /><br />I think you need to read your Bible a little more closely.V.A. Jeffreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16313347342389218714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2453422533967450680.post-66650269877474626622009-02-02T12:49:00.000-06:002009-02-02T12:49:00.000-06:00This is interesting; thanks for writing it and cal...This is interesting; thanks for writing it and calling attention to these issues. I really like your financial "advice" at the end. Very good.<BR/><BR/>I still think there is nothing wrong with Ramsey's commercialism, especially since practically all of his teaching can be obtained freely (from libraries, radio - where he also regularly gives his material to some of his callers, and gifts from friends). Those who can't afford to pay Dave for his services don't have to. Yes, he sells his product, but he also displays his generous loving concern for people in his effort to provide a user-friendly educational package (e.g., radio show; Financial Peace University class; his school curriculum, etc.) to countless people who apparently do not grasp what should be common sense and are willing to learn from him. But I've already made this point in your other post, and I think you disagree. <BR/><BR/>I also agree that we should not treasure earthly things (i.e., idolatry; cf. Matt. 6:21). But I don't think this contradicts the Biblical teaching that we should be good stewards by saving/improving our resources, even to the point of having stores of valuables (cf. Prov. 13:22; 21:20) and the Biblical examples of this. Pursuing wealth instead of poverty is a legitimate motivation for good stewardship, but I agree with you that is should not be our primary one, much less our exclusive one. I also agree that Dave does appeal to this motivation most regularly, but in all of his venues (radio, books, live events, classes) he also emphasizes the motives of obedient stewardship and charity.<BR/><BR/>Also, I know of no reason to doubt his personal integrity regarding his beliefs. When he professes his Christianity and his political convictions on his show (i.e., "The Dave Ramsey Show"), I think the charitable thing to do is to believe him (unless we have good reason to do otherwise).Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05588864213512607696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2453422533967450680.post-52288681077455055042009-01-19T19:28:00.000-06:002009-01-19T19:28:00.000-06:00Thanks for the link and thoughts.Thanks for the link and thoughts.Ariahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18434080710713783274noreply@blogger.com